(February 27, 2012 12:27:25 PM)Dagamoda Wrote:  I see many or the comments posted and, without a doubt I know, even by those who criticize xiii-2 will buy and play xiii-3 when it comes out. Anyone who has played xiii-2 knows that with all the plot-holes found in the game that there will be a xiii-3, and that it would take way too much dlc to cover what was left out of xiii-2. Its not a matter of if but when.

Well, Apparently Square Enix plans on releasing 2-3 DLC, per month. Now, the difference in time the two games were released is about 12 months. 12 months mean approximately 24-36 DLC. Are you still saying that it would take too much DlC to cover what was left out? I have to disagree with you saying that is is a matter of if but when.
Also, Just because we criticize xiii-2, it doesn\'t mean we hate/dislike the game so much that we will not get a Xiii-3, we just criticize because we want to point out our opinions on the game. so please do not just assume we hate the game. Thank you.

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(February 27, 2012 06:47:54 PM)Keito Kihara Wrote:  Well, Apparently Square Enix plans on releasing 2-3 DLC, per month. Now, the difference in time the two games were released is about 12 months. 12 months mean approximately 24-36 DLC. Are you still saying that it would take too much DlC to cover what was left out? I have to disagree with you saying that is is a matter of if but when.
Also, Just because we criticize xiii-2, it doesn\'t mean we hate/dislike the game so much that we will not get a Xiii-3, we just criticize because we want to point out our opinions on the game. so please do not just assume we hate the game. Thank you.

That\'s using your deducing skills. I\'m a little impressed. But assuming all that would mean to put ones trust in Square Enix and to count on them to release such dlc on time and so many in such a time period. Any good story teller knows that to sell a book in all its entirety and then to release tid bits is good marketing and as such will cause critics to go back and comb through the story to confirm such a case to be true. However, it would be horrible marketing to release a story to the public cutting off half way through, and then to further release and say \"Oh, we didn\'t actually finish with this story, here is the rest; so sorry for the confusion. That would be like an architect designing a building, only to realize that when he was finished that he had forgotten the top two floors and the roof. The people watching would call him foolish and thus lose his credibility. All dlc will be contained within the game xiii-2 and not be subsequent. Anyone who has been with Square Soft and Enix from the beginning know that both companies love to weave stories and this story will have a third part. they have the graphics engines, they have the characters, the have monsters, plot, motive and content. It\'s all a matter of how they put it together. BTW, I would never accuse a FF fan of hating a FF game, that would be utter rubbish, however I do know that anyone can be critical of a subject of interest, its a way to broaden our perspective. My apologies if that was the impression I gave.

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(February 27, 2012 07:47:46 PM)Dagamoda Wrote:  That\'s using your deducing skills. I\'m a little impressed. But assuming all that would mean to put ones trust in Square Enix and to count on them to release such dlc on time and so many in such a time period. Any good story teller knows that to sell a book in all its entirety and then to release tid bits is good marketing and as such will cause critics to go back and comb through the story to confirm such a case to be true. However, it would be horrible marketing to release a story to the public cutting off half way through, and then to further release and say \"Oh, we didn\'t actually finish with this story, here is the rest; so sorry for the confusion. That would be like an architect designing a building, only to realize that when he was finished that he had forgotten the top two floors and the roof. The people watching would call him foolish and thus lose his credibility. All dlc will be contained within the game xiii-2 and not be subsequent. Anyone who has been with Square Soft and Enix from the beginning know that both companies love to weave stories and this story will have a third part. they have the graphics engines, they have the characters, the have monsters, plot, motive and content. It\'s all a matter of how they put it together. BTW, I would never accuse a FF fan of hating a FF game, that would be utter rubbish, however I do know that anyone can be critical of a subject of interest, its a way to broaden our perspective. My apologies if that was the impression I gave.

I have realized I misunderstood your point. I apologize for misunderstanding you.
I am sorry that my lack of English prevents me from fully understanding your example but I will respond to what I know by my terms of example about you saying that DLC's would be a horrible way to market. My example is very long and may not contain the best grammar, but please bear, it should make sense.

For example, lets say that 10,000 people buy final fantasy xiii-2. the game copy is $60. totaling $600,000. now, from your example, we are going to say that 95% of these consumers, 9,500 people buy a supposed final fantasy xiii-3 for $60. The total time these people would play would be two years. (2011-2013.) that would total in $570,000. the sum of these two are $1,170,000.

Now, We have the original 10,000 people and their DLC example. so we have the original $600,000 who bought the xiii-2 game disk. Now, I realized I had made a mistake in the number of DLC's launched every month. If we count, we had a total of 5 DLC's released in this month. Lightning and Amordar, Noel's alternative costume, Another Alternative costume by Noel, Serah's Resort style alternative costume, and Sazh's mini story. Now, we will supposed every month 4-5 DLC's are released. we take the average of over those two years year and 108 DLC's are released. Now we say 3 costumes ($2.99) and 2 side stories/ story continuations (let's be modest and say $4.99, from sazh's side story.) Now we will say about %15 of consumers (Japanese people like me tend to buy these kinds of things a much lot.) buy these alternative costumes so 1,500 x (65 x $2.99) is about 292,500 and we will say that 75% of consumers (the same amount deducted by a little from people who wouldnt pay extra DLC for a continuation, who would buy the xiii-3 disk.) would buy these side stories. that would be 7,500 x (43 x $4.99) which would be about $1,612,500 we take the total of these and we get a $600,000 + 292,500 + 1,612500. This equals $2,505,000.

Compare the two below. Square Enix has a possibility of profiting $1,170,000, or taking a possible risk but profit of $2,505,000, Double of their secure possibility. now YOU MAY say that this is too logical and too much calculation and have too many factors such as "people will buy the game past 2 years." and other factors. but in the Business world, These two options are what many companies such as Square Enix have to face, Take the safer gamble, or take the slightly riskier gamble and double the profit. Off course, this is just and example and a Proposed theory from me who is still inexperienced in the political world but Thanks for reading this long and head-ache causing example (^_^)//

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I understood all of that and that was a thorough explaination.It seems unheard-of but this would be the first time a trilogy would be found in the FF series. You mentioned a gamble in marketing, and yes it was a good point, however you may have noticed that most game series have been a trilogy if not a saga series release over the last few years. FF is the byproduct of a market gamble, I mean thats the very essence of FF. They could finish it off with DLC but the general public would sneer at this and call it laziness. SE is not the type of company to let things go unfinished. We\'ll see what happens in time, even if it takes a decade, (also what Square Enix is known for )

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(February 28, 2012 07:30:29 AM)Dagamoda Wrote:  I understood all of that and that was a thorough explaination.It seems unheard-of but this would be the first time a trilogy would be found in the FF series. You mentioned a gamble in marketing, and yes it was a good point, however you may have noticed that most game series have been a trilogy if not a saga series release over the last few years. FF is the byproduct of a market gamble, I mean thats the very essence of FF. They could finish it off with DLC but the general public would sneer at this and call it laziness. SE is not the type of company to let things go unfinished. We\'ll see what happens in time, even if it takes a decade, (also what Square Enix is known for )

Well, in my opinion (which is probably wrong from your interpretation.) a few years is 2-3 years. I cannot think of many series that have if not 2, more than 3 years. Now you say that the public would sneer at DLC\'s but again, as you said before, many people (i said 75% in my previous example.) would still buy it. In my opinion, Square Enix leaves many thing Unfinished, it\'s just unnoticeable. A few years back, I was very disappointed when Director (I cant remember who, I feel like it was Yoichi...) Said that Square Enix would not produce any non main-stream games and focus on the more mainstream such as FF and KH and DQ. Mainly, The reason why I was so mad was because it would mean no \"Subarashiki kono sekai.\" which was a great game. So although they may seem like perfectionists and that they finish what they do, Honestly There is no such company that can do that. /(-.-\'/)

Well, I think we are getting some viewers of this site a little tired from reading this argument so I assume we can conclude with we will just have to wait and see! Yes?

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FFXIII-2 was a really good game but I still liked the more focused FFXIII better.

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To be honest i didn\'t like the game. The major reason is because the game was based on Serah and Noel and not Lightning. The other reason being story and the ending... If there is a three hope it\'s better.

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